Earlier today, in one of the weather forums I frequent, someone posted a link to an article, titled “No debate: Deluge due to climate change”, that read the following:
More rain fell on Manila and surrounding regions in nine hours on Saturday than the amount Hurricane “Katrina” dumped on New Orleans in 2005.
The article was meant to enforce a serious issue of climate change; it astounded me. At least, as far I read which was until the paragraph quoted above.
I’ve stayed away from this topic for one reason: it’s heated. It’s complicated. Everyone thinks they have the answer. And, it seems, no one wants to hear the other side of the story. It’s their way or the wrong way.
And, I’m tired of it. I’m tired of seeing hurricane activity used as examples to this global warming debate argument.
I’ll tell you why you may never know the truth about global warming.
Before I break down the quote above, re-read it. Read it a third time.
Have you noticed anything odd about it? Perhaps we should start off with another quote in the article.
The massive floods that inundated Metro Manila were a chilling reminder of the need to seriously address climate change, experts said, warning that the lives of millions were at stake.
Your very first question should be: what experts? Who said the flooding, caused by then Tropical Storm Ketsana, was a chilling reminder? What expert are they referring to? That question is not addressed throughout the entire article.
Let’s examine another quote from the article:
“We can’t just blame this on the rain. We know this is the worst deluge in 40 years. We know there is climate change happening, there is no debate about that,” Greenpeace campaigner Mark Dia said on local television.
Ok, let’s get this straight: an area experiences devastatingly-heavy rains, the likes of which haven’t been seen in 40 years, and this is your explanation for climate change? Why was climate change not an issue 40 years ago? Or, is that your implication? How does this demonstrate climate change?
The article enforces upon you the idea that Hurricane Katrina’s rains were so bad because, as we all know, New Orleans was nearly 80% underwater after the storm passed.
Newsflash: the Katrina disaster wasn’t from rain. It was from storm surge – storm surge that, when you compare with Hurricane Ike, a “weaker” hurricane, was no different in height. Why use Katrina as an example? Because Katrina is known world-wide as our (United States) natural disaster. This is our Christmas, 2004 Tsunami. This is our Kobe earthquake. If a hurricane could drop enough rain to flood a major city in OUR country then that is an absolute devastating storm system.
It’s shock and awe.
Remember the flooding from Tropical Storm Allison in Houston in 2001? Why was that not mentioned. Because Tropical Storm Allison dumped twice as much rain as Ketsana – that’s why.
What about Hurricane Erika that struck the northern Mexico coast in 2003? That storm was bone dry with the highest rainfall totals no greater than 7 inches and that was in one location. Most areas saw under 2 inches of rain.
Have you once asked yourself while reading this what are my sources to back up my claims? If not, here you go: the National Hurricane Center. You can read the preliminary reports on both Hurricane Katrina, Tropical Storm Allison and Hurricane Erika and see the facts yourself.
The people making these arguments are not stupid. They’re smart as hell. And they have a way with words that you absolutely must see through. What if I were to make the following statement:
Experts say Hurricane Jimena’s display of rapid intensification is unlike any other ever seen.
What expert am I referring to? And, “display of rapid intensification unlike any other ever seen,” where? Across the globe? How do you know if its true?
This is another way that people will try to fool you. They establish themselves as authority figures in the topics they write about. They develop a reputation amongst their readers that they are the experts and they speak the truth. The readers spread those “truths” to their friends and websites. Like a raging wildfire, stories spread and, all of a sudden, you have so mean people speaking “fact” that most everyone accepts it as fact.
I’ve told you about Hurricane Jimena. While its intensification trends were remarkable, Jimena by no means set records; not even in the East Pacific. But, there’s no doubt in my mind some fool used Jimena as an example of how climate change and global warming is affecting our weather.
But, unless you thoroughly read every article about global warming, you will never known what’s true and what’s bullshit. When you read about science you must question every sentence published. Do not take what you read as fact. Question everything.
Consider this from CNN this morning as it pertains to the Samoan tsunami. CNN headlined an article on their front page that read:
Towering Tsunami waves in Samoa
Very Hollywood-like; the article itself admitted the highest waves known at the time were 5-feet recorded in Pango Pango.
On the other side, Watts up with that? did an article discussing how Clemson researches have found no correlation between hurricane intensity and global warming.
NOAA did a report in February, 2008 discrediting linkage between tropical cyclones and global warming.
I’ve read the studies. I’ve read the press releases. I follow what’s going on. But, I also question everything. I don’t take anything for fact until I’ve seen enough neutralized evidence to convince myself it is, in fact, FACT.
You must do the same else you will never know the truth.
I’m tired of it. This bullshit has gone on long enough.
And all of you anti-global warming activists who think I’m on your side: don’t. I’m not. Truth is: I don’t know.
Do I think we’re in a period of climate change? Yes.
Do I think it’s man-made? I don’t know.
But don’t bend facts and speak misrepresentations about data to fit your purpose. I will exploit you. I will call you out based on the facts.
If you want to make an argument about global warming and how mankind is responsible, you damn well better bring it. Because, if I read it, I will call you out. And, you will lose.
Two final points I want to make. One, I’ve debated whether I wanted to link to the article that caused this tirade of mine to begin with. To be fair and open, I will. However, this site is added to my short but soon-to-expand list of discredited resources.
Second, there is a paragraph in here this article that is, in a way, inaccurate or misleading but one I claim as fact. Find it and post it in the comments below. First one to do so I will give a $50 Amazon.com gift card. You don’t have to know about hurricanes or science to find it. Just open your eyes and read carefully. It’ll stick out like a sore thumb, I promise.
Be careful what you read.
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NOAA”s report?
That’s your answer for the gift card? Nope, try again.
i completely missed this. didn’t show up on my feeds. what gives?
MJ, what’s your feed reader? I use Google to see when my articles show up and they’re almost instantaneous – never more than an hour. Occasionally I have to do some adjustments when it starts to run slow.
funny that 4 years ago everyone yelled the apocalypse was coming and global warming was here to stay with a record-breaking hurricane season. where are they now with only 7 storms, 2 hurricanes??? pathetic
They will when the Phillipines get hit again next week
stormfan, love your participation on the blog. But, please be careful about those type of comments. Lupit is not forecast to hit Philippines though is certainly forecast to aim towards Luzon. Forecast errors that far in advance are great. I’m sure local residents are taking precautions just in case
you’re no different than other AGWs. none of you want to look at the evidence right before your eyes. you want to sit around and wait until all the pieces come together in the meantime the planets going to hell. this world needs leaders and action-takers. not followers and second-guessers. the latter unfortunately includes you and the owner of this so-called “website”
What evidence? That provided by US agencies? Or counter-evidence by European agencies? Should we listen to Joe Schmoe who has no experience with science whatsoever and take his word that global warming is leading to stronger hurricanes, tornadoes and flooding?
I said I’m not an AGW – perhaps you should’ve read the entire article. I merely urge everyone to be cautious of what they read – especially with today’s movement.
Sad thing is many of the people that yell about global warming and climate change are ones seeking their own hidden agendas. That’s why you never know what’s true and what isn’t.
Nice – how appropriate
Arctic ice to vanish in summer, report says
If you want to make an argument about global warming and how mankind is responsible, you damn well better bring it. Because, if I read it, I will call you out. And, you will lose.
THAT is your inaccurate/misleading paragraph. You don’t know who brings what opinions on the table or if you will read it. And you might actually lose in a debate. You just need a brilliant foe…
I’m sure I would lose occasionally. But, then we’ll know what’s true.
Hmm…lots of people wanted to save our Mother…but lots of people don’t want to learn about science…as a fundamental of life…..
I do agree with your point that there’s no 100%, bomb-proof way we can *know* what’s causing climate change. However, two things sort of make that a bit of a moot point:
1. The human mind (and the civilization that has risen from it) works on assumptions and suspicions most of the time. From assuming that a ball will roll downhill to assuming that water will keep a ship afloat to suspecting that there’s a correlation between tendencies towards a heating globe and increased atmospheric levels of gases that are known to block heat.
All of these assumptions and suspicions are then tempered by a hopefully appropriate amount of investigation and research. If the consequences of being wrong aren’t all that bad, we’re content if just a little research proves our assumptions right. If the consequences of being wrong would actually be quite bad, we research extensively.
Sometimes, though, we spend too much time investigating. While we’re scratching our heads and trying to work out what will happen, or *why* something is happening, things go all wrong. And sometimes when things go wrong, we’re not able to fix it afterwards. This is what’s happening regarding the climate change issue.
If the scientists claiming climate change really is manmade are right, the consequences of ignoring this would be terrible. In fact, I can’t really think of any way they could be worse. And a lot of scientists have spent a lot of time and resources on figuring out what’s causing climate change. And their conclusions are increasingly confirming the suspicion that it’s modern human civilization.
Are they absolutely, undeniably sure? Of course not. There’s no way they can ever be. But they’re sure enough for us to get off our butts and act accordingly. After all, there aren’t really any downsides to moving away from an oil based economy anyway. Which leads me to my next point:
2. Why it doesn’t matter whether climate change is manmade or not. That link leads to a blog post of mine. I’m arguing my case in it, so I won’t repeat it here – but the gist of it is that even though it would be nice to be 100% sure about what’s causing climate change, we don’t really need to be. The advantages of moving away from oil are far bigger than the disadvantages, regardless.
Thomas, I have no arguments with your comment. I see absolutely nothing wrong with moving towards being more eco-friendly. I do so myself.
What bugs me is people bending science to fit their needs to prove a point. That I cannot tolerate.
The point of the article was merely to try and get my readers to open their minds when they read anything in regards to climate change.
Thanks for posting
Not sure if this is was your intended obfuscation – but the “NOAA” report you link to (actually an international collaboration between a number of public and private agencie, Pielke et al. 2008) certainly does not “discredit (the) linkage between tropical cyclones and global warming” as you say.
The aim of the report is to explore methods of comparing the economic impact of Hurricane events through time, normalizing for differences in inflation, coastal development etc. The authors recognize the need to separate the estimation of economic damage from questions of climate dynamics,
“Because the normalization methodology is subject to assumptions, differences in which can lead to significant changes in results, there is general agreement that normalized data are in general not the best first place to look for changes in underlying geophysical variables, and such changes are best explored using the geophysical data directly.”
The authors do observe (as have others) an absence of a clear trend in Hurricane activity over the entire course of 20th Century but this does not necessarily “discredit” the link between climate and storm activity – the climate system is dynamic and over a centennial scale it would not be surprising for the well-established multi-decadal cycles of Hurricane activity to obscure longer-term trends. The authors do make a strong case that coastal development patterns are a far more significant issue, at least in the short term, than global warming in terms of societal vulnerability to Hurricanes.
The exact relationships between ocean warming and storm activity remains a matter of considerable scientific discussion – with paleoclimatic evidence and various models offering somewhat contrasting pictures. This par for the course in science, especially when dealing with a dynamic and complex system like the behavior of global climate over centennial (or longer) scales. Vecchi et al. 2008 (.pdf) provide a nice summary of the current state of scientific understanding of the links between hurricane activity and global climate.
To be sure, big questions remain about the degree and nature of these relationships but it is very misleading verging on downright false to say that such a link has been “discredited.” Just as it is, as you rightfully observe, extremely simplistic and misleading to blame every extreme weather event on “global warming.”
We really need a more nuanced discussion about the broad range of consequences linked to anthropogenic alteration of the carbon, phosphorus, sulfur and nitrogen cycles. In the past, life has shown tremendous sensitivity to “natural” perturbations of these systems mediated by climate changes, but also by changes in ocean chemistry and marine and terrestrial ecosystems etc. Unfortunately many of these issues don’t translate into attention grabbing headlines…
Hello there,
Climate change and human responsability …
Did you hear about SWAC (sea water air conditionned) system which pump cold sea water (around 4°C) around the 600m deep and release the seawater heated up around 20-24°C at around 50m deep. Does this ring you a bell on human impact on the envirronment ?
For me this is a direct human increase of temp of ocean which will help increase of acidity, modification of the biodiversity, liberation of methane hydrates, tsunami…. and then as far as I can understand what i am reading, end of human life?
Do I mistake somewhere on human responsability? This system which apparently is authorised by the big Nations is the proof our governments don’t take climate change seriously enough and the reason might be because of people like you guys which always wants to underestimate (by lack of scientist prooves) our responsability of this climate change…
I mean, this is a fact which is happening now all around the world, they do implement this system which have a direct influence on climate change.
What is your point of view ?
Hello again, sorry for my previous message, i guess i should stop spending so much time on www. looking for answer which brings me finally to subject far more too complicated for my understanding.
Will not disturb again, bye
Isabelle