I won’t focus much on Tropical Storm Kyle until I get a better idea of where it’s going, if it even survives. The system is very poorly defined and is on the verge of pulling a Josephine. However, the weaker system will be influenced by different factors and a track further west than currently forecasted is likely. Let’s see if the storm can survive the next 24 hours before being so bold.
I do want to talk about what is stirring up quite an argument with what some believe should have been named Kyle and that is the system over North Carolina.
I pointed out the vortex message from yesterday’s reconnaissance (see North Carolina Storm is Not A Tropical Storm) and how the recon found flight level temperatures at 11° C (53.6° F) temps outside the “eye” and 19° C (56.6° F) temps inside the “eye”. In comparison, look at the most recent vortex message for Kyle:
URNT12 KNHC 262005 CCA
VORTEX DATA MESSAGE AL112008
A. 26/19:33:30Z
B. 27 deg 19 min N
068 deg 25 min W
C. NA
D. 35 kt
E. 295 deg 60 nm
F. 089 deg 23 kt
G. 299 deg 80 nm
H. EXTRAP 1003 mb
I. 22 C / 456 m
J. 23 C / 473 m
K. 22 C / NA
L. NA
M. NA
N. 1345 / 1
O. 0.02 / 10 nm
P. AF304 1211A KYLE OB 12 CCA
MAX FL WIND 56 KT NE QUAD 18:06:50Z
MAX OUTBOUND FL WIND 35 KT S QUAD 19:53:10Z
SLP EXTRAP FROM BELOW 1500 FT
MAX FL TEMP 24 C 147 / 7 NM FROM FL CNTR
Lines I and J are temps outside and inside the eye. Comparing the Carolina system to Kyle, the temp difference was 10° C or nearly 20° F degrees warmer in Kyle outside of the eye. Inside the center, Kyle was 4° C warmer or only 7° F warmer than the Carolina storm (23° C versus 19° C). Clearly, the Carolina system had not made the transition yet was certainly getting there. You could make the argument the storm was subtropical. But, note the flight level for these temps was much lower than in the Carolina storm yesterday.
Here is my problem: Joe Bastardi of Accuweather.com is blasting the National Hurricane Center for not naming the system. I am not a Bastardi Basher. But, he’s making a potato/potato argument that simply is a matter of opinion.
It reminds me of the discussion earlier this year on Hurricane Hanna. I wrote asking how the National Hurricane Center could keep Hanna classified as a tropical storm when the central pressure had dipped back to a previous storm low and the National Hurricane Center called Hanna a hurricane. Twice in Hanna’s history, the pressure had fallen below 980mb. The first time, Hanna was called a hurricane. The second time, a tropical storm.
This is fact! Pressure drives wind. Anyone who pays half-attention to most weather forecasts will hear meteorologists discuss tight pressure gradients creating windy conditions. So, the Joe Bastardi’s of the world can make that argument all day long and I’m right behind them. I whole heartedly agree!
But, now we’re arguing over a system cooler than Kyle, of different origin than Kyle, and of sharper temperature contrasts than Kyle. And some are saying this should be Kyle.
Today Bastardi’s laughing that the current reconnaissance mission returned a vortex message posting highest flight level winds were 16kts, that the pressure is now much higher than in the Carolina storm. Well, Mr. Bastardi, here’s the problem with that laughter: Earlier in the day (10:30AM EDT post), you forecasted Kyle to be a hurricane:
But I do think from later tomorrow through Sunday, it is a hurricane.
With wind shear forecasted to increase above 25kts and cooler waters ahead of the system, I think a hurricane on Sunday is highly unlikely. Time will tell.
Nonetheless, it’s almost as if someone is throwing a verbal temper tantrum. “This other storm should’ve been named but because it wasn’t I’m glad the second system is unimpressive but I think impressive enough to become a hurricane against many odds.”
o…k…
What I like even better is Bastardi’s latest post:
I am not WRONG BECAUSE THE HURRICANE CENTER SAYS SO. I am wrong because the weather says so. No man controls the weather. So why let what anyone says, me or anyone else, rule your thought process if you can go look for yourself?
AND IF YOU DON’T LOOK FOR YOURSELF, IT’S YOUR OWN FAULT… in anything from the weather on up.
Simple… think for yourself if the information is available, which it was.
So, let me get this straight. The National Hurricane Center says the Carolina storm is NOT a hurricane and because you disagree, you’re going to bash them. But, yet, tell your readers to think for themselves?
No wonder you’re on Fox News all the time, Joe. Fair and Balanced…
I’m hearing other arguments as well. This is a common one:
If anything, the National Hurricane Center should name it so at least the public will pay attention and prepare for storm or hurricane conditions
Ok, that’s it! I’ve a suggestion!
From now on, whenever a cold front comes through southeast Texas, let’s post Winter Weather Warnings. BLIZZARD CONDITIONS LIKELY. OK, NOT LIKELY. BUT IT’S DAMN COLD IN THE UPPER ATMOSPHERE. AND IF IT’S COLD UP THERE IT MIGHT GET COLD DOWN HERE IN SOUTH FREAKING TEXAS!
Hey, don’t knock that idea! After all, Christmas of 2004 I lived in Corpus Christi when we saw nearly two feet of snow on Christmas Eve! Talk about a white christmas. AND IT CAN HAPPEN AGAIN…TOMORROW!
Overkill? Well, let’s try this.
Houston floods badly. A small thunderstorm can drop many of our highways under water. So when a sea breeze kicks up an isolated shower let’s issue Flash Flood Warnings for all of southeast Texas and Harris County for the entire day!
Still overkill? Hmmm…
A butterfly just flew past my window. Get those typhoon warnings up for Japan immediately!
Give me a break, people! I don’t think you had to tell a single damned coastal resident there was a storm bearing down on them from the Atlantic. Most are watching the news (well, except for stock holders). Many are paying attention to the weather simply because it’s fall and they don’t want to send their kids to school in summer clothes if the temps are going to drop to sub-70 before 3PM!
I will be the first to tell you that our meteorological definitions of tropical cyclones need to be better. But, we are not going to get specific definitions such as, “If the center is warmer than 70F, it’s tropical; 60-70 subtropical; <60 extratropical”. Give me a Saffir-Simpson scaled truly based on barometric pressure and not on wind (which is highly subjective to begin with).
But, don’t give me that damned argument that because the named system looked worse than the unnamed one that the unnamed one should’ve been named. This isn’t about looks. It’s about data. And the data is supportive of both arguments.
And if you want to make the argument that giving it a name would’ve made people prepare, I have one final word for you: Not too far away from my home people are still standing in line at FEMA POD’s waiting for their supplies. Giving Ike a name didn’t help them out too much, did it?
It’s the forecast, stupid!